In acute-angled triangle $ABC$, let $H$ be the foot of perpendicular from $A$ to $BC$ and also suppose that $J$ and $I$ are excenters oposite to the side $AH$ in triangles $ABH$ and $ACH$. If $P$ is the point that incircle touches $BC$, prove that $I,J,P,H$ are concyclic.
Problem
Source: Iran TST 2013: TST 1, Day 1, Problem 1
Tags: geometry, incenter, trigonometry, cyclic quadrilateral, geometry proposed
17.04.2013 21:07
Do you mean J,I are excenters of excircles inscribed in angles ABH and ACH ?
17.04.2013 21:22
@Math-lover123, no tricky wording here. J is simply the B-excenter of ABH and I is simply the C-excenter of ACH. The concyclicity is true for any H on BC, not necessarily the foot of the A-altitude as the problem states. See two problems about cyclic quadrilateral (problem 1), incenters and cyclic, etc. The proof is analogous for excircles.
17.04.2013 21:23
nice problem let $X,S$ be feet from $I,J$ to $BC$ then. $XP=BX-BP=((BH+BA+AH)-(BC+BA-CA))/2=(AH-CH+AC)/2=HS=SJ$ and similarly $SP=XI$ and since $\angle IXP=\angle JSP=90$ then $JSP\cong IXP$ so $\angle IPX=\angle SJP=90-\angle SPJ$ so $\angle IPJ=90=2*45=\angle IHJ$ therefore $IHPJ$ is cyclic.
17.04.2013 21:36
First of all we've $\frac {Cos(A-B)/2-Cos C/2}{Cos (A-B)/2-Cos A/2}+\frac{Cos B}{Cos(B-C)/2}{2Sin B/2}=2Cos C/2$. Now note $\frac {S-c}{CI}=\frac {Cos(A-B)/2-Cos C/2}{Cos (A-B)/2-Cos A/2}$ and $\frac{Cos B}{Cos(B-C)/2}{2Sin B/2}=\frac {Cos B/2}{Sin(B+A/2)}\times \frac {BH}{AH}=\frac {Cos(C/2+\alpha)}{Sin(\alpha)}$ now also we had $\frac {Cos(C/2-\theta)}{Sin(\theta)}=\frac {S-c}{CI}$. Where $\angle{HIA}=\theta,\angle{PJC}=\alpha$. Now so we've $\frac {Cos(C/2+\alpha)}{Sin(\alpha)}+\frac {Cos(C/2-\theta)}{Sin(\theta)}=2Cos C/2$ and that implies $\frac {Cos(C/2+\alpha)}{Sin(\alpha)}=\frac {Cos(C/2+\theta)}{Sin(\theta)}$ now so we've $Cot (\alpha)=Cot(\theta)$ and certainly that implies $\theta=\alpha$ and so done.
19.04.2013 20:15
In fact, $H$ can be any point on $BC$. For this, if we denote $I', J'$ as the projections of $I, J$ onto $BC$, then we have to prove that $II'P\sim PJJ'$. Moreover, assume without loss of generality that $BH<BP$. Then the problem is equivalent to proving that(after a few simplifications) \[4xybc\sin B \sin C = ((c+t)^2-x^2)((b+t)^2-y^2)\] After using cosine rule and simplifying, we have to prove \[bc\sin B \sin C = t^2(1+\cos\alpha)(1-\cos\alpha)\] where $\angle AHB = \cos\alpha$. This is obvious by sine rule in triangles $AHB, AHC$. Previously, I had copied the question wrong and got the following result: In triangle $ABC$, $H$ is any point on $BC$ and the $A$-excircle touches $BC$ at $P$. Also, $I, J$ are the $H$-excentres of triangle $ABH, ACH$ respectively. Then $IHPJ$ is cyclic.
21.04.2013 04:52
Proposed by Mehdi E'tesami Fard
25.08.2013 21:38
leader wrote: nice problem let $X,S$ be feet from $I,J$ to $BC$ then. $XP=BX-BP=((BH+BA+AH)-(BC+BA-CA))/2=(AH-CH+AC)/2=HS=SJ$ and similarly $SP=XI$ and since $\angle IXP=\angle JSP=90$ then $JSP\cong IXP$ so $\angle IPX=\angle SJP=90-\angle SPJ$ so $\angle IPJ=90=2*45=\angle IHJ$ therefore $IHPJ$ is cyclic. Please, why $XP=BX-BP$ ? Please cite the theorems you used, thank you .
25.08.2013 21:52
It is not a theorem, but I'll explain it for you Since $B,P,X$ lie on $BC$ on this order, i.e, are collinear, it follows that $BX=BP+PX$ and the result follows.
25.08.2013 21:59
Oh yeah I copied wrong .. But why $ XP=BX-BP=((BH+BA+AH)-(BC+BA-CA))/2 $ ?
06.11.2013 09:53
Dear tuvie, Please explain the steps which seledur wrote.Because i did not understand too. Thanks...
06.11.2013 14:19
I still cant believe this, I spent an hour solving the wrong problem! If you are confused, the incircle tangency $P$ is actually the excircle tangency... You have to be kidding me. Here is a quick solution for any point: Suppose $X, Y$ are the tangent points of $(J), (I)$ with $BC$. We get $PX = BP + BX = \dfrac{AB + AF - BF - AB + AC + BC}{2} = \dfrac{AC + AF + FC}{2} = FY$. Since $FJX \sim FIY \implies \dfrac{JX}{FY}=\dfrac{FX}{IY} \implies \dfrac{JX}{PX}=\dfrac{PY}{IY} \implies DJX \sim DIY$ so done. That was a really really bad typo seriously.
11.11.2013 05:04
can someone tell me what is excenter?
12.11.2013 09:32
@gearss: Look at the first image from: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incircle_and_excircles_of_a_triangle
14.11.2013 12:30
Dear Mathlinkers, for more precision, you can see http://perso.orange.fr/jl.ayme vol.5 Le theoreme de Feuerbach-Ayme p.10-13 Sincerely Jean-Louis
06.01.2014 07:47
Let $I',J'$ be projection of $I$ and $J$ onto line $BC$. Then , by properties of $Ex-circle$. We see that, $BJ' = \frac{AB+BH+AH}{2}$ and $BP = \frac{AB+BC-AC}{2} \implies PJ' = \frac{AH+AC-HC}{2}$. Now, $II' = \frac{AH \cdot HC}{AC+CH-AH}$. Now using Pythagoras theorem, one see that $PJ'=II'$. Similarly, $PI'=JJ'$. Thus we have $\triangle PII' \cong PJJ'$ Thus $\angle IPJ = 90^{\circ}$ and easy to see that $\angle IHJ = 90^{\circ}$. So $IHPJ$ is a cyclic quadrilateral. and $II'$ is its diameter. So we are done! $\Box$.
28.08.2017 13:43
$BJ' = \frac{AB+BH+AH}{2}$ Sorry but how do you get this ?
14.06.2018 23:59
gearss wrote: can someone tell me what is excenter? Just google it!!!
27.01.2020 13:17
Let $M$ be the midpoint of $IJ$ and $X,Y$ be the projection of $I ,J$ onto $BC$ After getting that $YP=CH , XP=YH$ then $YP.YH=XP.XH$ thus $Y , X $has the same power wrt $(PHI)$ let its center be $M'$ then $XM'=YM'$ thus $M'$ is the intersection of the perpindacular bisectors of$ XY $and$ IH $and we have $M$ is on the perpindacular bisector of $XY$ thus $M=M'$
25.12.2022 12:14
G #2/100 Solved a slightly different variation of the problem where $D$ is the $A$ intouch of the triangle $ABC$ instead Let the projections of $X$ and $Y$ onto $BC$ be $N$ and $M$ respectively Firstly, observe that $X$ and $Y$ are the $B$ and $C$ excenters of $\triangle ABP$ and $\triangle ACP$ respectively $$NP=BN-BP=\frac{AB-BP+AP}{2}$$$$MD=CM-CD= \frac{AP+AC+PC}{2}-\frac{AC+BC-AB}{2}=\frac{AB+AP-BP}{2}=NP$$ By symmetry, we also have $MP=ND$ So, $MP^2+NP^2=ND^2+MD^2$ $YP^2+PC^2=YD^2+DX^2$ $$YD^2+DX^2=YX^2$$$$\angle{YDX}=90$$ Hence, $YDPX$ concyclic
05.06.2023 21:30
Just use one of the circle theorema that is one of the angle of the quardarateral equals to the other side of the opposite angle.
10.09.2023 17:22
well if you missed the insane length solution you can also reduce to serbia 2018 and use MMP!!!! yay!!!!
05.12.2023 06:19
Relabel $I, J$ as $X, Y$ and $H$ as $D$. Let $S$ be the foot from $Y$ onto $\overline{BC}$ and $T$ the foot from $X$. Now note that it suffices to show that $$SD^2 - SP^2 = TP^2 - TD^2.$$Note that \begin{align*} SD &= \frac 12\left(AP+AC-PC+2PD\right) \\\ SP &= \frac 12\left(AP+AC-PC\right) \end{align*}so \begin{align*} SP^2 - SD^2 &= (SD-SP)(SP+SD) \\ &= PD \cdot (AP+AC-CD) \\ &= PD(b+c-s) \end{align*}which is symmetric in $b$ and $c$. Hence done!
09.12.2023 17:46
Silly Problem
Let $E$ and $F$ be the foot of altitude from $I$ and $J$ respectively Let $M$ be the midpoint of $DP$, and let $N$ be the midpoint of $EF$, let $H$ be the midpoint of $IJ$ Claim 1: $M \equiv N$
Now this implies the conclusion as $HM$ becomes the midline in trapezoid $AJFE$.
10.01.2024 06:20
The LaTeX gave me brain damage... Note that $\angle XPY$ is a right angle, so $(PXY)$ has diameter $\overline{XY}$. Hence, it suffices to prove Let $S$ and $R$ be the feet of the altitudes from $X$ and $Y$ to $\overline{BC}$, respectively. Hence, we are able to write \begin{align*} DX^2 &= XS^2+DS^2 \\ DY^2 &= YR^2+DR^2 \\ PX^2 &= XS^2 + PS^2 \\ PY^2 &= YR^2+PR^2. \end{align*} This means it is sufficient to prove \[DR^2+DS^2 = PR^2+PS^2\]\[\iff DS^2-PS^2 = PR^2-DR^2.\] WLOG let $R,D,P,S$ lie on $\overline{BC}$ in that order. Notice that $X$ is the definition of the $B$-excenter of $\triangle ABP$. This means that \begin{align*} DS+PS &= BS+PS-BD \\ &= \frac{1}{2}(AB+AP+BP)+\frac{1}{2}(AB+AP-BP)-\frac{1}{2}(AB+BC-AC) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} (AB+AP+BP+AB+AP-BP-AB-BC+AC) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} (AB+AC-BC+2AP). \end{align*} Similarly, $Y$ is the $C$-excenter of $\triangle ACP$, so \begin{align*} PR+DR &= CR+PR-CD \\ &= \frac{1}{2}(AC+AP+CP)+\frac{1}{2}(AC+AP-CP) - \frac{1}{2}(AC+BC-AB) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} (AC+AP+CP+AC+AP-CP-AC-BC+AB) \\ &= \frac{1}{2} (AB+AC-BC+2AP). \end{align*} Thus, \begin{align*} DS+PS&=PR+DR \\ \iff DS^2-PS^2 &=(DS-PS)(DS+PS) \\ &= DP(DS+PS) \\ &= DP(PR+DR) \\ &= (PR-DR)(PR+DR)=PR^2-DR^2. \ \square \end{align*}
05.05.2024 19:18
Since $\angle XPY = 90^{\circ}$, we only need to prove that $XYD = 90^{\circ}$, or equivalently, $XY^2 = YD^2 + XD^2$. Since $XY^2 = XP^2 + YP^2$, it suffices to prove that $XP^2 + YP^2 = XD^2 + YD^2$. Let $K, L$ be the feet of altitudes from $Y, X$ to $BC$, respectively. Then, we have $CK = \frac{AC + CP + AP}{2}, BL = \frac{AB + BP + AP}{2}$ and $BD = \frac{AB + BC - AC}{2}$. From this, one can verify that $KD = LP$, immediately implying $XP^2 + YP^2 = XD^2 + YD^2$. $\blacksquare$
06.05.2024 06:38
This problem is true for arbitrary point $H$ lies on $BC$. Relabel point $I, J$ of the problem as $J_1, J_2$. Let $I$ be incenter of $\triangle ABC$ and $D_1, D_2$ be orthogonal projections of $J_1, J_2$ on $BC$. Suppose that $J$ is midpoint of $J_1J_2$. Since $\angle{J_1HJ_2} = 90^{\circ},$ we have $JH = \dfrac{J_1J_2}{2}$. To prove $P \in (J_1J_2H),$ we need to show that $J$ lies on perpendicular of $HP$. But $J$ also lies on perpendicular of $D_1D_2$ then it suffice to prove that $D_1H = D_2P$. Indeed, we have $D_2P = BD_2 - BP = \dfrac{AB + BH + AH}{2} - \dfrac{AB + BC - CA}{2} = \dfrac{CA + AH - CH}{2} = CD_1 - CH = D_1H$. So it means that $J$ lies on perpendicular of $HP$. Hence $JH = JP = \dfrac{J_1J_2}{2}$ or $P \in (J_1J_2H)$
17.08.2024 17:34
So this problem is actually true for all $H,$ so let the point on $BC$ be $P,$ and the A-intouch point be $D.$ Note that $X,Y$ are the excenters of $\triangle ABP, \triangle CPA,$ respectively. Let $K$ be the foot from $X$ to $BC,$ and $L$ the foot from $Y.$ Then note that we simply need to show $KL=PK$ by Pythagorean theorem. Let $DP=x.$ Then because $BD=\frac{a-b+c}{2}$ and $BK=\frac{AB+BP+PA}{2}, CL=\frac{AC+CP+PA}{2},$ we are done by lengths$.\blacksquare$