Mr. Fat moves around on the lattice points according to the following rules: From point $(x,y)$ he may move to any of the points $(y,x)$, $(3x,-2y)$, $(-2x,3y)$, $(x+1,y+4)$ and $(x-1,y-4)$. Show that if he starts at $(0,1)$ he can never get to $(0,0)$.
Problem
Source: ELMO 1999 Problem 2
Tags: invariant, combinatorics, Processes, Invariants
29.12.2012 04:15
18.07.2013 04:50
13.03.2015 08:59
$x+y\mod 5$ is not zero so we will never have $x+y\mod 5 = 0$ i mean if you multiply $x+y$ in anything except 5 you will never have $x+y\mod 5 = 0$
27.12.2016 17:15
Why mod 5 instead of something else?
27.12.2016 17:46
These types of problems typically require you to find something that doesn't change (at least, in the ways you don't want it to). The first way of moving around means you want to combine $x$ and $y$ with a commutative operator. Take, for example, addition. The last two ways of moving around means this sum may change $\pm 5$, so we have to compensate by taking it $\mod{5}$. The rest of the changes are explained by the solutions above.
22.06.2020 04:04
The sum of the $x$ and $y$ coordinates is always going to leave a remainder of $1$ when divided by $5$. Hence, it's not possible to travel to the origin.
19.09.2020 10:40
Are. You. Joking. I spent way too long doing useless garbage here. Take $x+y$ mod $5$ and realize the first move does nothing, the second and third multiplies by $3,$ and the fourth and fifth do nothing.
03.10.2020 21:09
24.08.2021 03:44
Consider the sum of the coordinates modulo 5. If Mr. Fat moves to $(3x, -2y)$ or $(-2x, 3y)$, the sum of the coordinates will be $$3x-2y = 3(x+y) - 5y,$$or the symmetric equivalent. However, if $x+y$ was not originally a multiple of 5, the resulting sum can never be a multiple of 5. Similarly, if Mr. Fat moves to $(x+1, y+4)$ or the equivalent, his sum of coordinates modulo 5 does not change. However, he starts on a position with sum 1 mod 5. Therefore, it is impossible for Mr. Fat to end up in any position with sum of coordinates 0 mod 5, of which $(0, 0)$ is one.
06.03.2022 23:57
07.03.2022 00:53
$x+y \pmod{5}$ gives either nothing change or $\times 3 \implies \neq 0$
07.03.2022 01:03
Misread as Mr. Fat wandering around the lettuce
30.03.2022 18:24
We claim that $x+y\not\equiv0\pmod5$ for all points $(x,y)$ which Mr. Fat visits. It is true for $(x,y)=(0,1)$, now suppose that Mr. Fat is at $(a,b)$ with $a+b\not\equiv0\pmod5$ and moves to $(c,d)$. If $(c,d)=(b,a)$ then $c+d\equiv a+b\not\equiv0\pmod5$. If $(c,d)=(3a,-2b)$ then $c+d\equiv 3(a+b)\not\equiv0\pmod5$. If $(c,d)=(-2a,3b)$ then $c+d\equiv 3(a+b)\not\equiv0\pmod5$. If $(c,d)=(a+1,b+4)$ then $c+d\equiv a+b\not\equiv0\pmod5$. If $(c,d)=(a-1,b-4)$ then $c+d\equiv a+b\not\equiv0\pmod5$. We are done by induction.
30.03.2022 20:18
v_Enhance wrote: Mr. Fat moves around on the lattice points according to the following rules: From point $(x,y)$ he may move to any of the points $(y,x)$, $(3x,-2y)$, $(-2x,3y)$, $(x+1,y+4)$ and $(x-1,y-4)$. Show that if he starts at $(0,1)$ he can never get to $(0,0)$. Mr. Fat??!! lolololololololololololololol
01.04.2022 15:12
$\mod 5$ cases and done
22.08.2022 22:23
22.08.2022 22:29
For all possible points $(x,y)$, we have $5\nmid x+y$ so $(0,0)$ is impossible.
23.08.2022 04:08
05.10.2022 23:19
Note that $5\nmid x+y$ as the first, fourth, and fifth operations do nothing to the sum modulo $5$ and the second and third multiply the sum by $3.$ Hence, $(x,y)=(0,0)$ is impossible. $\square$
06.10.2022 01:00
For any $x$,$y$, let $x+y \equiv k \mod 5$. It is easy to see that $k$ does not change (invariant) throughout all operations, so if $x+y \equiv 1 \mod 5$ then it is clear that $x+y \equiv 0 \mod 5$ is never achievable, proving the assertion. $\blacksquare$
06.02.2023 17:31
We define the moves as $A, B, C, D$ accordingly. For the sake of contradiction, we assume that $(0, 0)$ is achievable. Claim -- If so, the last move was $D$. Proof. $A$ can't be the last move, trivial. $B$ and $C$ can't be the last move, because the last point reached before $(0, 0)$ would be the same, hence impossibility. Since $D$ was the last move, it means $(-1, -4) \to (0, 0)$. The 2nd last position was $(-1, -4)$. Claim --- At least one of them stays non-negative always. Proof. We prove it by induction. We set $n = 2$ to be the base case, for which the proof is trivial. Now, we assume $n = k$ is true, it's time for $k + 1$. \[A(n) \implies \text{Unchanged}\]\[B(n) \implies \text{At least one stays nonnegative}\]\[C(n) \implies \text{At least one stays nonnegative}\]\[D(n) \implies \text{Before the operation we have at least one nonnegative, hence we have at least one positive.}\]Hence, $(-1, -4)$ cannot be reached. Hence contradiction.
28.05.2023 21:05
Note that $x+y \pmod 5$ either remains the same or is multiplied by $3$. Thus, if we start at $1$, it can never reach $0$.
03.08.2023 21:50
Use an invariant mod 5 on $x+y$. We need $x+y\equiv 0\pmod 5$. Notice how the first operation doesn't change $x+y$, the second and third only multiply by 3 (for example, $3x-2y=3(x+y)-5y$, so all it does is multiply by 3), and the last 2 keep the residue the same. Therefore, it can never be $0\pmod 5$, so he cannot get to $(0, 0)$.
21.09.2023 02:57
Note that $x+y \equiv 0\pmod{5},$ needs to happen. Now, all transformations, keep the residue the same besides the second and third, which multiply the residue by $3,$ so a power of $3,$ needs to be divisible by $5,$ but contradiction $\blacksquare$
29.12.2023 22:59
Hmm, I do not see this invariant above. Note that $(x+y)^4$ remains invariant under this process. But $(0+1)^4 \equiv 1\pmod{5}$ and $(0+0)^4 \equiv 0 \pmod{5}$. So not possible.
08.02.2024 13:31
Let $S = x + y \bmod{5}$ where $(x, y)$ is Mr. Fat's current position. It is clear that $S$ can only change to $S$ or $3S$ with each move, and so if $S$ is not zero then $S$ cannot be zero after any sequence of moves. This finishes the problem as $S = 1$ initially and we want to show $S \neq 0$.
05.05.2024 05:53
Two words: $\pmod{5}$.
11.06.2024 04:32
Note that $x + y \pmod{5}$ either stays the same or multiples by $3$ after every move. Originally it is $1$ so it can never be $0$, so Mr.Fat can never reach $(0, 0)$.
25.09.2024 13:48
Taking $mod \ 5$, we see that the sum of coordinates remains the same or gets multiplied by $3$. Since we start with the sum being $1(mod \ 5)$, we cannot reach $0(mod \ 5)$.
03.11.2024 05:29
We will take $\pmod 5$. Call a point good if the coordinates sum to a number that is not divisible by $5$. Note that good points can only move to good points (one can verify this by looking at all the moves individually). Since we start at a good point, we can never move to $(0,0)$, a not-good point.