Is there a quadratic trinomial $f(x)$ with integer coefficients such that $f(f(\sqrt{2}))=0$ ? A. Khrabrov
Problem
Source: St. Petersburg Math Olympiad, 2015, round II, grade 9, P1
Tags: quadratics, algebra, polynomial
suli
30.09.2016 07:20
$f(x) = x^2 - 1$
a valid solution? If no, then
there are no valid solutions.
Let $ax^2 + bx + c = 0$ with $a, b, c \neq 0$. Then $f(\sqrt{2}) = (2a+c) + b \sqrt{2}$ is a root of $f$.
Because $f$ has integer coefficients, $(2a+c) - b \sqrt{2}$ is the other root of $f$, so
$$ax^2 + bx + c = a(x^2 - 2(2a+c) + ((2a+c)^2 - 2b^2)).$$Thus
$$b = -2a(2a+c), c = a((2a+c)^2 - 2b^2).$$Substituting in gives
$$c = a((2a+c)^2 - 8a^2 (2a+c)^2) = (2a+c)^2 \cdot a(1 - 8a^2).$$Write $c = ak$ for some $k$; then
$$k = a^2 (2+k)^2 (1 - 8a^2).$$This implies $k < 0$; however, $|a^2 (1 - 8a^2)| \ge 7$ and $|7(2 + k)^2| > |k|$ demonstrate a solution is impossible.
Ankoganit
30.09.2016 07:28
@suli Yep, that works.
Pirkuliyev Rovsen
02.10.2016 21:19
What would happen if $f(f(\sqrt{3}))=0$ and $f(f(\sqrt{5}))=0$?
Saucepan_man02
01.11.2024 16:30
We can say that: $$f(f(\sqrt{n(n+1)})) = 0$$has some monic quadratic polynomial with integer co-efficients where $n$ is some positive integer.