Let $x$ and $y$ be positive reals such that \[ x^3 + y^3 + (x + y)^3 + 30xy = 2000. \] Show that $x + y = 10$.
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04.10.2005 23:10
Indeed easy. But not that ugly. this problem was given in JBMO (2000 i think) Anyway the way to go is not unusual: put $x+y=a$ , $xy=b$ and factorize!!
04.10.2005 23:12
I think I did it differently but another question: What ages is the JBMO for?
04.10.2005 23:22
Sorry I got the forum wrong!
04.10.2005 23:24
riddler wrote: I think I did it differently but another question: What ages is the JBMO for? For kids under 15,5 years old! I took part in this competition when I was in 9th form....... I am willing to see your approach.
04.10.2005 23:26
riddler wrote: Sorry I got the forum wrong! What do you mean??
04.10.2005 23:29
socrates wrote: riddler wrote: Sorry I got the forum wrong! What do you mean?? Some moderator moved this post to intermediate forum, dont ask me, I dont know why.
04.10.2005 23:30
riddler wrote:
Very nice!!
04.10.2005 23:31
riddler wrote: socrates wrote: riddler wrote: Sorry I got the forum wrong! What do you mean?? Some moderator moved this post to intermediate forum, dont ask me, I dont know why. Which section was it firstly in??
04.10.2005 23:33
GS forum
04.10.2005 23:36
riddler wrote: GS forum I think intermediate section is the appropriate place for it!! Although some would consider it pre olympiad........
05.10.2005 02:23
I moved it. Can you really expect someone who's just getting started with problem solving to be able to solve this?
05.10.2005 03:32
My 2 cents: this problem is definitely not GS and at least Intermediate. Please take note of this...the difficulty level of the forums is often confused.
04.10.2011 05:12
Seeing that no understandable solution has been posted, I will post one (for the sake of the Contests Section):
06.10.2011 01:07
^^^ Perhaps a little clearer in the above: Once you have $x+y=a,xy=b$ AM>GM gives..
06.04.2014 00:47
riddler wrote: Let $x$ and $y$ be positive reals such that \[ x^3 + y^3 + (x + y)^3 + 30xy = 2000. \] Show that $x + y = 10$. Generalization Let $x,y,k,r$ be positive reals numbers such that \[{{x}^{3}}+{{y}^{3}}+r{{(x+y)}^{3}}+3kxy=\left( r+1 \right){{k}^{3}}\] Show that $x+y=k$.
06.04.2014 01:46
06.04.2014 05:13
What I did was I showed 10 would work. Then I showed that $10+a$ and $10-a$ would not work for $a>0$
20.05.2015 17:47
riddler wrote: Let $x$ and $y$ be positive reals such that \[ x^3 + y^3 + (x + y)^3 + 30xy = 2000. \] Show that $x + y = 10$. We have $a^3 - b^3 = (a - b)(a^2 + ab + b^2)$ and $a^3 + b^3 + c^3 - 3abc = (a + b + c)(a^2 + b^2 + c^2- ab - bc - ca)$. From the example we have that $[x^3 + y^3 - 10^3 + 3*10xy] + [(x + y)^3 - 10^3] = 0$,and we apply the formulas and we get $(x + y - 10) * (x^2 + y^2 + (x+y)^2 + 10(x + y) + 200 - 10x - 10y + xy) = 0$ and because the second factor > 0 we obtain $x + y - 10 = 0$ or $x + y = 10$. ionbursuc wrote: riddler wrote: Let $x$ and $y$ be positive reals such that \[ x^3 + y^3 + (x + y)^3 + 30xy = 2000. \] Show that $x + y = 10$. Generalization Let $x,y,k,r$ be positive reals numbers such that \[{{x}^{3}}+{{y}^{3}}+r{{(x+y)}^{3}}+3kxy=\left( r+1 \right){{k}^{3}}\] Show that $x+y=k$. Similar we do the generalisation: $[x^3 + y^3 - k^3 + 3kxy] + r[(x+y)^3 - k^3] = 0$ or $(x + y - k)(x^2+y^2 + 2k^2 - kx - ky +xy + r(x + y)^2 + kr(x+y)) = 0$ and we get $x + y - k = 0$ or $x + y = k$.
21.05.2015 18:03
We could obviously prove that x+y<10 and Quote: x+y<10 can't be happened.
29.11.2015 20:38
$2(x^3+y^3-1000)+3xy(x+y-10)=(x+y-10)t$. t is a big expression so I didn't wrote it. But obviously it can't be 0. So x+y=10
01.01.2016 05:14
Here is a highly non-standard solution to this really easy problem. (The factorization solution is cute but a bit routine) We shall apply the Method of Lagrange Multipliers!!! (Scared eh...? Trust me it's gonna be magical) Indeed, consider the constraint function as \begin{align*} g(x,y)=x^3+y^3+(x+y)^3+30xy-2000 \end{align*} and the objective function \begin{align*} f(x,y)=(x+y-10)^2 \end{align*} We choose to maximize $f$ subject to $g$ and then see that indeed $f \le 0$ but in reality $f \ge 0$ and thus, $x+y=10$ Note that $f,g$ are continuous with continuous partial derivatives. \begin{align*} \nabla f=(2(x+y-10),2(x+y-10)) \end{align*}and also, \begin{align*} \nabla g =(6x^2+3y^2+30y+6xy,6y^2+3x^2+6xy+30x) \end{align*} Evidently, $\nabla g \not= 0$ We define these functions over $U=(0,9000)^2$ for certainly $x,y \in U$. We shall prove that the result holds for any $x,y \ge 0$ satisfying $g$ instead of just positive reals. (This for the informed viewer being just an excuse to execute our notions of topology and compact sets over $\mathbb{R}^2$) Define the closure of the set $U$ as $\bar{U}=[0,9000]^2$. Then consider set $S=\{x \in \bar{U} : g(x)=0\}$ Then, clearly, we have that $S$ is compact and so $f$ achieves a global maxima $x_0$ over $S$. Now, every global maxima is a local one as well and so by the theorem of Lagrange Multipliers Case 1. $x_0 \not \in \bar{U}\cap U$ In this case one of $x,y$ is zero which means that the other is automatically equal to $10$ by our original equation. Case 2. $x_0 \in \bar{U}\cap U$ Thus, we have $\nabla f = \lambda \nabla g$ and therefore we conclude that $2(x+y-10)=\lambda (6x^2+3y^2+6xy+30y)=\lambda (6y^2+3x^2+6xy+30x)$ and so we get $x=y$ or $x+y=10$. While still being ignorant we proceed assuming $x=y$ which from $g$ implies $x=y=5$ and we are done again. Thus, Lagrange Multipliers assure that $f \le 0$ and common sense assures that $f \ge 0$. Thus, $f=0$. $\square$ In my own humble opinion this solution deserves a special prize with a lot of criticism for being overkill. The only insight I intended to pass by writing all this non-sensical stuff was to apply LM in situations where it is unexpected. I would post a note on this soon when I am free on my blog. Do check it out! (Its private as of yet) P.S.- Yay! 400 th post...
23.05.2018 13:10
I think I hab a shorter solution by case work (seems ironic lol)
Also nice idea there using the $a^3+b^3+c^3-3abc$ factorization (I think it might be getting a bit too slightly overused tho). I will go try it.
23.05.2018 16:02
This thread started in 2005, then was revived in 2011, then in 2014, 2015, and now 2018.
23.05.2018 16:10
Also 1st Jan 2016.
23.05.2018 21:45
No... I see December 31, 2015. Maybe we are in different time zones.
24.05.2018 05:27
haha! indeed. I come under IST.
24.05.2018 05:51
Easy problem. Let $x=a+b$ and $y=a-b$. Rewriting the equation and dividing by $2$ gives: $5a^3+3ab^2+15a^2-15b^2=1000$. Therefore $(3a-15)b^2=(1000-15a^2-5a^3)$. However, $3a-15$ is negative in the range $[0,5)$, while $(1000-15a^2-5a^3)$ is positive. Similarly, $3a-15$ is positive for $a>5$, while $1000-15a^2-5a^3$ is negative. This implies that $b^2$ is negative, contradiction. Hence $a=5$, which means $x+y=(a+b)+(a-b)=10$.
24.05.2018 17:18
Strange solution: Denote $x+y=S$, and $xy=P$. So we get: $3S=\frac{2S^{3}-2000}{S-1}$=$2(S+S+1)-\frac{1998}{S-1}\in Z$, so we must have $S-1\in D_{1998}$ where $1998=2*3^{3}*37$ and testing these, we found $S=10$
26.05.2018 17:13
Note that $x^3+y^3+(x+y)^3+30xy-2000=0$ factors as $(x+y-10)(2x^2+xy+2y^2+20x+20y+200)=0$ If $x,y$ are both positive then the second factor is positive, so that we are forced to conclude $x+y=10$.
04.12.2018 04:59
After some manipulation we get: $3xy(10 - (x+y)) = 2((x+y)^3 - 10^3)$ Case 1: $x+y > 10:$ $RHS > 0$, So $LHS$ has to be $> 0$, so $10 - (x+y) > 0$ or $x+y < 10 => contradiction!$ Case 2: $x+y < 10:$ $RHS < 0$, So $LHS$ has to be $< 0$, so $10 - (x+y) < 0$ or $x+y > 10 => contradiction!$ Thus $x + y = 10$
13.04.2020 02:36
AM GM Solution!!!!!!! We can factor our given expression into $2(x+y)^3-3xy(x+y)+30xy=2000$. Let $x+y=a, xy=b$. Then we get that $2a^3-3ab+30b=2000$. Solving for b, we get that $b=\frac{2a^3-2000}{3a-30}$. If a is not equal to 10, this can be simplified as $b=\frac{2a^2+20a+200}{3}$. By AM-GM, we know that $\frac{a^2}{4} \ge b$. When we plug in what we found for b, we get that this simply cannot occur, as the inequality won't hold when a is positive. Now let us see if a=10 works. Then we get b=0, meaning that our possible ordered pairs of $(x, y)$ are $(10, 0), (0, 10)$, which indeed do work.
21.06.2020 01:47
Here's my work. Rearrangement gives $$x^3+y^3+(x+y)^3+30xy-2000=0.$$Then, let $a=x+y, b=xy.$ We get $$x^3+y^3+a^3+30b-2000=0 \implies (x+y)^3-3x^2y-3xy^2+a^3+30b-2000=0 \implies a^3-3(by+bx)+a^3+30b-2000=0 \implies a^3-3ab+30b+a^3-2000=0.$$Applying Difference of Cubes, $$2(a-10)(a^2+10a+100)+3a+30b=0.$$Then, substituting back $a=x+y, b=xy,$ we have $$2(x+y-10)[(x+y)^2+10(x+y)+100]-3xy(x+y) \implies (x+y-10)(2x^2+2y^2+xy+20x+20y+200)=0. ~ ~ ~ \text{(By factoring)}$$Clearly, the bracket on the right is non-zero, and the desired result follows. (Because $x+y-10=0$ implies that $x+y=10.$) Feel free to give any constructive feedback below! I would really appreciate it!
02.08.2020 06:15
KRIS17 wrote: After some manipulation we get: $3xy(10 - (x+y)) = 2((x+y)^3 - 10^3)$ Case 1: $x+y > 10:$ $RHS > 0$, So $LHS$ has to be $> 0$, so $10 - (x+y) > 0$ or $x+y < 10 => contradiction!$ Case 2: $x+y < 10:$ $RHS < 0$, So $LHS$ has to be $< 0$, so $10 - (x+y) < 0$ or $x+y > 10 => contradiction!$ Thus $x + y = 10$ You can factor the RHS as a difference of two cubes and then you can divide both sides by 10-xy which then leads to a contradiction so 10-xy has to be 0.
20.07.2021 06:12
Why have I seen this before somewhere?
20.07.2021 07:28
Denote $a=x+y,b=xy$. The equation is: $$2a^3-3ab+30b=2000$$$$\Leftrightarrow2(a^3-1000)-3b(a-10)=0$$$$\Leftrightarrow(a-10)(2a^2+20a+200-3b)=0$$Assume FTSOC that $a\ne10$, so $2a^2+20a+200=3b$. Then by AM-GM, $a\ge2\sqrt b$, so $2a^2+20a+200\ge8b+40\sqrt b+200>3b$, contradiction reached. $\square$
30.06.2022 14:31
Let $a=x+y$ and $b=xy$. We wish to prove $a=10$. We have $a(a^2 - 3b) + a^3 + 30b = 2000$, so $2a^3 - 3ab +30b = 2000$. Now, $2a^3 - 3ab + 30b - 2000 = (a-10)(2a^2 + 20a + 200 - 3b)=0$. Suppose FTSOC $a\ne 10$. Then $2a^2 + 20a + 200 = 3b$. Note that since $(x+y)^2 = x^2+y^2+2xy \ge 4xy$, $a^2 \ge 4b$. So $2a^2 + 2a + 200 \ge 4b + 2a + 200 > 3b$, contradiction. So $a=10$.