Solve in real numbers the equation $$\left(x^2-3x-2\right)^2-3\left(x^2-3x-2\right)-2-x=0.$$
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26.04.2021 04:24
Start out by simplifying the left-hand side, and you get $x^4-6x^3+10x^2-4x-4=0$ After that, I'd recommend using the rational root theorem, and if there are any rational solutions, you can divide out the factor. I haven't done this for this problem yet, but if there are two rational solutions you can reduce down to a quadratic and find any other solutions with the quadratic formula.
26.04.2021 06:47
RRT gives no rational roots, you'd probably have to factor it into two quadratics. Any solutions without undetermined coefficients?
26.04.2021 07:02
26.04.2021 07:11
yofro (via PM) wrote: What happens if x is a root of $x^2-4x-2$?
26.04.2021 07:30
@jasperE3 AoPS User ok
26.04.2021 07:37
jasperE3 wrote: yofro (via PM) wrote: What happens if x is a root of $x^2-4x-2$? That's pretty cool
The $x^2-4x-2$ is kind of intuitive because clearly setting $x^2-3x-2=x$ gives a solution to the above equation. We still need the other quadratic factor for 4 roots, but I'm not seeing something that is intuitive. Of course, it's pretty easy now to just factor $x^2-4x-2$ from the equation in #2 and use MUD, but I was wondering if there was a more intuitive approach on that other factor. @below you really should be thanking yofro for these amazing hints. Do you have a reason to believe the other factor does not have real roots?
26.04.2021 07:42
@natmath AoPS User whoa that's awesome solutions to $x^2-4x-2$ are $$x=\frac{4\pm\sqrt{16+8}}{2}=\frac{4\pm2\sqrt6}{2}=2\pm\sqrt6.$$Those are real! 2 solutions to the equation already! If I'm not mistaken, these are the only real solutions and this problem is solved....?
26.04.2021 08:25
uh I think you messed up? You're confusing $x^2-4x+2$ and $x^2-4x-2$? Is there a typo in the problem? If there's a typo in the problem and it is $x^2-3x-2$ instead of $x^2-3x+2$ we can use poly division and get our other answers to be $1\pm \sqrt 5$ and of course using the other roots, we can let $x$ be a root of $x^2-2x-4$, then $x^2-3x-2=-x+2$, and $(-x+2)^2-3(-x+2)-2-x=x^2-4x+4+3x-6-2-x=x^2-2x-4=0$
26.04.2021 15:27
@above where are you getting $x^2-2x-4$ from?
26.04.2021 16:01
Very sorry. Yes, the problem was incorrect. It has been edited now.
26.04.2021 18:18
Yofro gave me a hint on $x^2-2x-4$. It's not as direct as the first one, but I can try to explain it. If $f(x)=x^2-3x-2$, then we want to find the solutions to $$f(f(x))=x$$ Of course, if there existed an $r$ s.t. $f(r)=r$, then this would clearly be a solution to our equation. That $r$ must be either of the roots to $$x^2-3x-2=x$$$$x^2-4x-2=0$$ Let's say for some constant $k$ there exists an $r$ s.t. $f(r)=k-r$. Now let's say $k-r$ also satisfies the equation $f(x)=k-x$ (i.e. $f(k-r)=k-(k-r)=r$). Then this $r$ would satisfy the original equation. However, finding this root is not as immediate. We want $r$ and $k-r$ to be the solutions of $$f(x)=k-x$$$$x^2-3x-2=k-x$$$$x^2-2x-(2+k)=0$$By viete's, the sum of roots is $$r+k-r=2$$$$k=2$$So the solutions to $$x^2-2x-4=0$$also satisfy our original equation. Also I think we know that there are no other solutions aside from those in the form $f(x)=x$ and $f(x)=k-x$ because $x,k-x$ are the only polynomial functions that satisfy $f(f(x))=x$.
26.04.2021 19:07
Take one x in other side and set y=$x^2-3x$ and solve quadratic take one of its root equate it to x then you get a good answer