Let $ q_{0}, q_{1}, \cdots$ be a sequence of integers such that a) for any $ m > n$, $ m - n$ is a factor of $ q_{m} - q_{n}$, b) item $ |q_n| \le n^{10}$ for all integers $ n \ge 0$. Show that there exists a polynomial $ Q(x)$ satisfying $ q_{n} = Q(n)$ for all $ n$.
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Tags: algebra, polynomial, inequalities, function, number theory, least common multiple, abstract algebra
28.05.2008 08:09
Still working on this. A related question: are there non-polynomial sequences that satisfy condition a) alone?
28.05.2008 09:08
How about $ q_n=n!$?
28.05.2008 09:27
Peter wrote: How about $ q_n = n!$? $ 5!-2!$ must be divisible by $ 3$,but it is not true.
28.05.2008 13:36
Indeed, I'm sorry. Interesting question, I can't find a counterexample either.
28.05.2008 18:10
$ q_n=P_n(n), P_n(x)=a_0+a_1x+a_2x(x-1)+...+a_nx(x-1)...(x+1-n)$, were $ a_i\in Z$. For any integer sequence $ a_i$ we get sequence $ q_n=P_n(n)$, suth that $ m-n|q_m-q_n$.
28.05.2008 18:53
Rust's counter example is false, as his sequence is not bounded by any polynomial I did see solution of this problem once, it 's proof used Lagrange interpolation and an easy to show inequality on "Least common multiple"
28.05.2008 19:14
Obviously, Rust answered all that posts before (except the starting post)
28.05.2008 19:17
mto wrote: Rust's counter example is false, as his sequence is not bounded by any polynomial Were is false? If $ m - n|q_m - q_n \ \forall m > n$, then exist integer sequence $ a_i$, suth that $ q_n = P_n(n)$. If $ a_i$ integer sequence, then it define $ q_n = P_n(n)$, suth that $ m - n|P_m(m) - P_n(n) = P_m(m) - P_m(n)$. We can define polinom P(x): \[ P(x) = \sum_{k = 0}^{\infty}a_k\binom{x}{k}k!, \] were $ \binom{x}{0}0! = 1,\binom{x}{k}k! = x(x - 1)...(x + 1 - k)$ and $ degP(x) = \infty$ if there are infinetely many $ a_i\not = 0$. Then $ q_n = P(n) = P_n(n)$ give solution.
29.05.2008 08:08
Nice (and I was thinking along the same lines). It is clear that we can "mod out" by any sequence of the form Rust gives, but I don't see a way to readily turn this into a solution (at least, I cannot pin down the intuitive notion that the growth rate of $ q_k$ mod polynomials of the form Rust gives is either better-than-polynomial or zero). Idea: consider the generating function $ P(x) = \sum_{k = 0}^{\infty} \frac {q_k}{k!} x^k$. If $ q_k$ is a polynomial sequence then $ P(x)$ is given by a product of a polynomial and $ e^x$ (or something along those lines); in particular, $ P(x)$ satisfies a linear homogeneous differential equation. $ q_k$ being bounded by a polynomial implies convergence for all $ x$. The first condition says that the coefficients of $ P(x) - P^{(m - n)}(x)$ have numerators divisible by $ m - n$, or something along those lines.
29.05.2008 13:43
Rust wrote: mto wrote: Rust's counter example is false, as his sequence is not bounded by any polynomial Were is false? If $ m - n|q_m - q_n \ \forall m > n$, then exist integer sequence $ a_i$, suth that $ q_n = P_n(n)$. If $ a_i$ integer sequence, then it define $ q_n = P_n(n)$, suth that $ m - n|P_m(m) - P_n(n) = P_m(m) - P_m(n)$. We can define polinom P(x): \[ P(x) = \sum_{k = 0}^{\infty}a_k\binom{x}{k}k!, \] were $ \binom{x}{0}0! = 1,\binom{x}{k}k! = x(x - 1)...(x + 1 - k)$ and $ degP(x) = \infty$ if there are infinetely many $ a_i\not = 0$. Then $ q_n = P(n) = P_n(n)$ give solution. But we don't have |qn| <n^10 for all n .... I don't remember solution of my teacher for this one ( it was a long time). But it 's based on Lagrange interpolation and inequality on LCM of consecutive integers
29.05.2008 15:11
"mto wrote: But we don't have |qn| <n^10 for all n .... I don't remember solution of my teacher for this one ( it was a long time). But it 's based on Lagrange interpolation and inequality on LCM of consecutive integers I give all solutions. If you want $ |q_n|<n^{10}$ you can take $ a_i=0, \ \forall i\not =10, \ a_{10}=1.$
29.05.2008 19:12
mto wrote: But we don't have |qn| <n^10 for all n .... Rust was addressing my question, not the original one. mto wrote: I don't remember solution of my teacher for this one ( it was a long time). But it 's based on Lagrange interpolation and inequality on LCM of consecutive integers Here's what I've got along those lines: Write a sum of Newton polynomials $ Q(x)$ of degree $ 10$ such that $ q_k = Q(k), k = 0, 1, ... 10$. Then $ p_k = 10! (q_k - Q(k))$ satisfies condition a) (because $ 10! Q(k)$ is an integer polynomial). Moreover, $ p_k = 0, k = 0, 1, ... 10$. It follows that $ m - k | p_m, k = 0, 1, ... 10 \implies$ $ \text{lcm}(m, m-1, ... m-10) | p_m$. What I'm having trouble with is the inequality that would show that $ \text{lcm}(m, m-1, ... m-10)$ grows faster than $ m^{10}$.
29.05.2008 19:27
t0rajir0u wrote: mto wrote: But we don't have |qn| <n^10 for all n .... Rust was addressing my question, not the original one. mto wrote: I don't remember solution of my teacher for this one ( it was a long time). But it 's based on Lagrange interpolation and inequality on LCM of consecutive integers Here's what I've got along those lines: Write a sum of Newton polynomials $ Q(x)$ of degree $ 10$ such that $ q_k = Q(k), k = 0, 1, ... 10$. Then $ p_k = 10! (q_k - Q(k))$ satisfies condition a) (because $ 10! Q(k)$ is an integer polynomial). Moreover, $ p_k = 0, k = 0, 1, ... 10$. It follows that $ m - k | p_m, k = 0, 1, ... 10 \implies$ $ \text{lcm}(m, m - 1, ... m - 10) | p_m$. What I'm having trouble with is the inequality that would show that $ \text{lcm}(m, m - 1, ... m - 10)$ grows faster than $ m^{10}$. U could replace 10 by any integer K here, then what u have to show is the lcm(m,m-1,..,m-K) grows faster than m^10 Remark that the common divisor of any two numbers in m,m-1,...,m-K does not exceed K. From this, we could show that LCM(m,m-1,..,m-K) > m.(m-1)...(m-K) / [ K^M] for certain constant M
29.05.2008 21:53
I came to the same conclusion. Edit: The set of sequences satisfying condition a) is a $ \mathbb{Z}$-module $ \mathcal{A}$, a submodule of which is the set of sequences Rust gives $ \mathcal{P}$ (a submodule of which in turn is the set of integer polynomials). The quotient $ \mathcal{A} / \mathcal{P}$ consists of (equivalence classes of) sequences $ \{ q_k \}$ such that $ q_k$ is defined $ \bmod k!$. Hence we can pick a representative such that $ 0 \le q_k < k!$. It follows that $ q_0 = q_1 = q_2 = q_3 = 0$. (Edit 2: ) We then have $ q_4 = 0, 12$ and $ q_5 = 0, 60$. For Rust's claim to be true (that $ \mathcal{A} = \mathcal{P}$ so the quotient is trivial) we need to show that $ q_4, q_5 \neq 0$ gives a contradiction. But in fact I think it's possible that it doesn't.
01.06.2008 11:38
One more observation. If $ q_m$ satisfies condition a), then so does the forward difference $ \Delta q_m = q_{m+1} - q_m$. The connection to Newton polynomials is clear. In particular, following Rust's lead we can write any integer sequence $ \{ q_k \}$ in the form $ q_n = \sum_{i=0} a_i {n \choose i}$ where $ a_0 = q_0, a_1 = q_1 - q_0$, and in general $ a_n = (\Delta^n q)_0$. We then have $ \Delta^k q_n = \sum_{i=0} a_{i+k} {n \choose i}$. The finite differences eventually becoming the zero sequence corresponds to $ a_n$ eventually becoming zero and $ q_n$ becoming a polynomial. So perhaps we should consider $ \Delta^{11} q_n$. (Unfortunately, the current bounded condition on $ q_n$ does not easily translate into bounds on $ \Delta q_n$ because of the possibility that $ q_n$ alternates between positive and negative values, so the bounds must be taken together with the divisibility condition.) When $ a_n$ is eventually zero, it seems not too hard to prove that the divisibility condition is satisfied if and only if $ k! | a_k$. Otherwise, I'm not so sure.
14.12.2010 07:01
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